Summary
It is sad that Jo Saunders died, and apparently, many people cherished her. Moreover, there is a tradition of saying only good things about a person who died, and rightfully so. But I think it is also useful to mention mistakes that people did, and have never really corrected. JS had said a very hurtful antisemitic thing about us Israeli Jews, comparing us to the Nazis. Then she apologised for it. Then, after a few years more, she repeated that comparison, only in different words. Which makes me think that her apology was not sincere. I don’t want to insult the dead, but I do not want to be silent either. I would like to ask everyone to recommit to not comparing us Israeli Jews to the Nazis, especially in the coming weeks, when the media in the global north is very likely to turn against us Israeli Jews. Actually, I would like to ask everyone to recommit to not comparing ANYONE to the Nazis. That has never been helpful.
Also, perhaps one of you would read my story and think, “Hey, that happened to me too. I heard a leader say some horrible things and was not able to interrupt it immediately”.
I would like to tell that person – you are not the only one to whom it happened.
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The 1st time I met Jo Saunders was during Passover 2001, when she came to lead a regional workshop in Israel (Passover is a Jewish holiday that happens at the end of the winter in the northern hemisphere). This was after the a period of violence in Israel: suicide bombers were blowing up busses, shopping malls, restaurants. But the horrors stopped for several weeks by then. This was my first RC workshop. I was mostly concerned with surviving the workshop and was not listening attentively to the theory. But I noticed that JS cared very much about the suffering of the Palestinians. Which was fine, because that agreed with my center-left political opinions. I did not want the Palestinians to suffer either.
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A year or two afterwards, during another round of violence in Israel, with a shooting during the Passover feast in Netanya, JS came to lead a regional workshop again. This time, I could not attend, due to family commitments. After the workshop, I asked a fellow co-counselor to fill me in on what went on. She told me that JS compared the Israelis to the Nazis, havoc followed, and JS apologized. I imagined that this was some weird idea of “Tough Love” on JS’s part. That is, acting harshly towards a person to make sure that a lesson is learned. I was glad to hear that the mistake was corrected.
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The 2nd time I met JS was in a regional workshop led by M-, the RRP of Israel at the time. JS came to support her. The violence inside Israel had diminished by that time, and the 2006 war with Hezbollah had not yet happened. M- made a demonstration with D-. D- was an Orthodox Jew, a single woman in her 30s, who worked as a musician in kindergartens. She had a very sharp sense of humor and was never afraid to say what she thought. She had talents that would make her a great stand-up comedian nowadays. M- would often invite her for demonstrations, as if to “give voice to Orthodox Jews”, although M- never liked D- ‘s right wing opinions. On that day, D- started the demo with the kind of comments that a comedian would make at the audience as part of the gig. Soon enough, D- looked at JS and called out: “Hello Jo! So, do you still think we are like the Nazis?!”. JS mumbled that she had already apologized for saying that.
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I met JS several times afterwards in international workshops, including my first HFW workshop in Poland, 2008. Shortly afterwards, JS came to lead another workshop in Israel, again during Passover. On the first morning, while presenting RC theory, JS told the workshop about a visit she had made to N- ‘s town. N- was the leader of the Palestinians in RC and lived in Israel. JS concluded her report from the visit by saying that the situation of the Palestinians in Israel at the time reminded her of the situation of the Jews in Germany in the 1930s. I looked left and I looked right, but I saw no sign that anyone had noticed what had just happened. I was expecting the same havoc that happened several years ago to happen again, but it did not. D-, who could have spoken up against that comparison, left RC long ago, as did many other Orthodox Jews. My chronics began to play. The recording was that this is only my problem, my restimulation. So, I spent the remaining session times of the workshop discharging over what I should do. Mostly, I was counseled to work early, about what JS’s comments brought up for me. On the closing circle of the workshop, having realized that nobody was going to speak up, I did. Not in the most eloquent way, I’m afraid. The question that JS offered for the closing circle was: “what will you do differently from now on?”. In the first round, I could not think of something to say. Then, when they returned to those who had not spoken, I said “I will no longer send Palestinains to death camps”. I was ready for someone to attack me for that on the spot for what I said, and for others to come to me later and reprimand me. To my surprise, none of that happened.
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My relationship with JS pretty much ended there. It is sad that she passed away, and apparently, many people cherished her. Moreover, there is a tradition of saying only good things about a person who died, and rightfully so. I have read all the posts that people made about the moments that they shared with her. I don’t want to insult the dead, but I do not want to be silent either. I would like to ask everyone to recommit to not comparing us Israeli Jews to the Nazis. Especially in the coming weeks, when the media in the global north is very likely to turn against us Israeli Jews. Actually, I would like to ask everyone to recommit to not comparing ANYONE to the Nazis, that has never been helpful to anyone’s re-emergence. Please try to interrupt antisemitism, to avoid singling out the Jews for criticism, and to remember the inherent goodness of all humans, Jews and Palestinians.
Also, perhaps one of you would read my story and think, “Hey, that happened to me too. I heard a leader say some horrible things and was not able to interrupt it immediately”.
I would like to tell that person – you are not the only one to whom it happened.
With love,
Yohai from Israel